we spoke with republican arizona senator jon kyl. nice to see you. >> thanks greta. >> greta: big crisis this whole debt ceiling. let me take you back to february '09 and the stimulus bill. if the stimulus bill had been more effective in revving up the economy, i take it we would have more revenue and we would be not quite in this crisis or it would be a different crisis. >> this is a different kind of recession. not one in which consumer demand is driving recovery that's why the bush stimulus didn't work. the obama stimulus didn't work. when you take a trillion dollars and basically give it to people to spend and it doesn't move the numbers in fact now, we are at a 2% of growth -- under 2% of growth of gdp last quarter of '09 we were at almost 6%. we've gone downhill. the stimulus did not help. all it did was add to our debt. >> greta: we are all focusing on this problem. once we get through this crisis we have to think down the road. are we on the right track in terms of revving up our economy so we have more revenue because people